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Post by rags to riches on Mar 11, 2023 6:58:25 GMT -8
It takes money to buy whiskey. Whether it's the schools that want change, the players, or the parents - it will cost money to effect it. The simplest solution is send out a letter stating that the fee to enter the invitational provincial championships will be x amount, and contingent on finishing top x place in area or regional playoffs. If you make it cost prohibitive to a certain extent, the weaker teams, despite finishing top in their region, may not accept the invite. Open up a play in tournament, which costs x amount of money, for x amount of spots. Your school really wants it, pony up the money and earn it.
Some are showing up for "the experience", which ultimately waters down competition and leaves out arguably more deserving teams talent wise. Mind you, if you don't win your area do you really expect to win this tournament? I guess we'll find out tonight w/ fleetwood park and semi.
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Post by Hmm on Mar 11, 2023 12:17:53 GMT -8
Win your zone. There. Problem solved. If you are the 3rd, 4th, 5th best team in your zone and didn't make it, then you weren't good enough. If you want the 'best' teams? Then just go zone winners. Can't be the 'best' if you can't win your zone right? Probably one of the dudes that can’t listen to new ideas or feedback. Old boys club that allows no one else to suggest or do anything or promote any new basketball teams. Let’s spend all day talking about chambers, Ebe etc and then say we want to grow the game by keeping our tournaments exclusive to our friends and BCs the way we like them. Are you suggesting this old boy's club is behind keeping the automatic berths for the interior and northern teams? Ebes and Chambers coach teams (Fox and WV) in hotly contested zones that would benefit from those berths being eliminated The BC's have changed, the rate of change is just slow. They added the 4A tier and moved all the tournaments to LEC. They lowered the highest tier tournament from 20 team to 16 team. The beef with only having 16 teams is valid but I think that's down to the BCSS wanting basketball to be the same as other sports and not because of an old boy's club. And I'm not sure they're going to change the rep by pop model only for basketball and not the other sports. They changed all the zones just to benefit the 4A Fraser Valley teams, this was a move done specifically because there were so many competitive teams in the Valley at that tier that they decided to splinter it into South Fraser, North Fraser, and East Valley. Without this change, Mouat Tammy Abby Fleetwood Semi Elgin Fox Heritage would all be competing for just 6 spots this year. Not to mention the teams that just missed like Holy Cross and Enver. So I wouldnt say change never happens and that they always get it right but I think they do try to switch it up. Also what do you mean by keeping tournaments exclusive to their friends? And promoting new basketball teams?
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Post by just a coach on Mar 19, 2023 0:48:34 GMT -8
Rep by pop is NOT the best way to do it... BETTER TEAMS SHOULD BE IN THE BEST TOURNAMENT IN THE PROVINCE PERIOD. everyone in here is responding like a politician. strength of schedule means S*** for rankings. if thats the case VC and SAINTS can easily not be top in S2S seeding. They are not allowed in league play at all and rely on exhibition games... simple NO SCHOOL SHOULD SET UP A GAME WITH THEM. DONE strength of schedule is over for those 2 teams. you see how easy it is to f*** up the strength of schedule idea? why is it that 71 teams only 16 berths? that's a crazy set up for a tournament with that many teams. you have 16 of the best teams in the province and only 6 make it cause of this stupid rule of "ReP bY PoPuLaTiON" this does not grow the game as it just makes everyone think of provincials as a joke every year. and guess what... IT IS A JOKE. the committee needs to be shifted to new faces and new names since they never make NO statement on how bad it was and they NEVER make any statements on thinking of improvements. My guy, are you OKAY? According to what Sr. Boys Coach said, the modern LEC berthing process encourages representation of BC provincials across the province. It’s not who is “good” in terms of skill, but it’s who is representing their own part of British Columbia that matters most. For instance, even though Kits, VC, West Van, Churchill and St. George’s was in the top 10 and HM list for 4A in the province at one ranking of the season, in the end, it’s regional representation that matters the most, NOT who is “good”!
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Post by coachebe on May 11, 2023 21:09:36 GMT -8
Win your zone. There. Problem solved. If you are the 3rd, 4th, 5th best team in your zone and didn't make it, then you weren't good enough. If you want the 'best' teams? Then just go zone winners. Can't be the 'best' if you can't win your zone right? Probably one of the dudes that can’t listen to new ideas or feedback. Old boys club that allows no one else to suggest or do anything or promote any new basketball teams. Let’s spend all day talking about chambers, Ebe etc and then say we want to grow the game by keeping our tournaments exclusive to our friends and BCs the way we like them. With all due respect you are not making any kind of a logical argument. Rich Chambers has absolutely nothing to do with any of the berthing or running the tournament and hasn't for two decades. As most people know I am very involved and I am extremely proud of the work I do. At this point the coaches pretty much have no say over anything as BCSS is entirely in charge. However most of the policies around the Provincials were designed and agreed upon by the coaches all across BC. Our BCHSBBA was and will continue to be a completely democratic organization with the sole purpose of supporting all the coaches. The arguments on here have been discussed and debated by coaches every since I first became a senior boys coach 37 years ago. We don't always agree but everyone gets a voice. Trust me there are many things I would like to see changed but I accept others opinions and I try to see the bigger picture. You also have no idea as to the amount of change that has taken place. It was a twenty team tournament, which by the way the coaches pushed for and got, but when we added a fourth tier this now gave an additional twelve teams a shot at a BC title so the coaches decided that twenty didn't make sense anymore. Things are just not as easy as saying "the best teams should only go." How do you truly determine that in a Province as geographically huge as ours? There have been many occasions where I was coaching a team (Magee & McNair) where I had a top ten team but didn't get to go because the LM Zone was so ridiculously strong. To suggest that there is some "old boys" conspiracy that assists certain coaches is rather crazy. Also to those of you who think it should be two games and done that is completely disrespectful to the teams who pay tens of thousands of dollars to travel down and compete in the tournament. I love the fact that people are passionate and have ideas to make our game better so thanks to all who have added their ideas here. By the way I can tell you that the amazing tournament that takes place right now is considered to be the BEST amateur sporting event in Canada and it is something we can all be very proud of.
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Post by former coach on Oct 17, 2023 18:39:26 GMT -8
Here's a solution that'll never be accepted, but I like it:
The 16th seed is always a really weak team that has no chance. Let the 16th seed be an all-star team made up of players whose teams didn't make the tournament. They'd only have about a week to practice, if they practice at all, so they wouldn't be a threat to win the tournament. But they'd provide better competition. And it might keep players playing at their catchment schools instead of transferring to top schools knowing that they can still make the tourney if they play well, even if they teams don't. (Individual athletes in cross-country can make provincials even if their teams don't make it.)
Crazy, right? But fun. Gives more kids a chance to play at provincials, especially those that opt to stay at their catchment school instead of going to the basketball factory across town.
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Post by Coach1 on Oct 23, 2023 8:58:30 GMT -8
Wat you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul. Here's a solution that'll never be accepted, but I like it: The 16th seed is always a really weak team that has no chance. Let the 16th seed be an all-star team made up of players whose teams didn't make the tournament. They'd only have about a week to practice, if they practice at all, so they wouldn't be a threat to win the tournament. But they'd provide better competition. And it might keep players playing at their catchment schools instead of transferring to top schools knowing that they can still make the tourney if they play well, even if they teams don't. (Individual athletes in cross-country can make provincials even if their teams don't make it.) Crazy, right? But fun. Gives more kids a chance to play at provincials, especially those that opt to stay at their catchment school instead of going to the basketball factory across townT
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